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Interviews - Podcasts -
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Audio/Visual Media |
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Like all my website, this page is rough-and-ready
homespun and hardly the epitome of design. I just want it to do the job
of being a listing of links to some of the more major things, when I
remember to post them here.
Reforesting Scotland interview
with Alastair McIntosh,
"Our Changing World" (Sep
2023)
Interview translated into Hebrew in
the
Israeli geographical magazine, Eretz, about
spirituality, community and land in Poacher's Pilgrimage (May or
June, 2019).
'High Profile' interview about my work by Huw Spanner (Jul 2018,
text and audio (1 hr)
Author interview for Poacher's Pilgrimage in Life and Work,
Church of Scotland (Feb 2017, 4 pp, 12 MB)
Interview in Brazilian Jesuit agricultural magazine, Portuguese/English (May
2016)
Church Times back page interview on book: Spiritual Activism: Leadership
as Service (5 Dec 2015, PDF)
"The Whiskey Dialogues" - interview with Oda Helene Evjen in Dec 2012
issue of Akt, magazine of the Norwegian Student Christian
Movement (English language, pp. 12 - 17)
Green Christian
2010 - on community, environment and spirituality (PDF)
HERO (Higher Education)
2006 - academia and
spiritual activism
(on this page)
The Sunday Times 2006 -
pop stars and urban
regeneration (on
this page)
Sunday Herald 2003 -
nonviolence and the
military (on this
page)
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People ask me where to start. The
Ricky Ross interview in 2010 is one of my favourites on radio. The
Realisation
Festival video from the Perspectiva think tank has Elizabeth
Oldfield taking the interview deep and wild.
On the wireless, the recording from
Ben Nevis
for BBC Radio 4 is high and wild. The one with my wife
Véréne
for Radio Scotland
'Alongside Pain & Hope'
is soft and sensitive. For an older one, I'm delighted to see that
Silver Donald Cameron's interview me in Nova Scotia his
Green Interview
series is now available without paywall.
Also, search under "Alastair McIntosh" (get the
spelling right) on Youtube.com. And I don't put them all here. For
others, see my web
itinerary where, after a talk, I'll often post the recording link if
there is one.
Video interview
hosted by Canadian songwriter Leeroy Stagger on Soil and Soul, the
"pause" during COVID, and the bardic tradtion (Mar 2026).
"The Battlefield is in the Soul",
liberation theology talk & discernment with Methodists in Minnesota
faced with Trump's ICE oppression. Zoom
recording and
slides (Feb 2026)
Climate change as fundamentally a spiritual crisis
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podcast interview with Beshara Magazine - and with a good transcript
- about growing up in Lewis, the influences of the island's
spirituality, and why spiritual depth is so needed as we face the future
(Jan 2026).
The Ceilidh on
the Mount - celebrating my 70th on Ben Lomond - (dis)stills & raucous
video clips (Nov 2025)
Scottish
Land Commission's ScotLand Futures initiative, 5 min video incl.
reciting my poem, The Forge (Aug 2025)
Christian
Spiritual Ecology - interviewed by Rebecca Brierley, St Ethelburga's
Centre for Peace and Reconciliation, London (Jun 2025)
Seven Years of GalGael-Iona
Trips - slide shows, and report on Govan GalGael to
Iona Abbey report on volunteer work weeks (Apr 2025).
Delivery of the 2023 ecotheology lecture to The Hazelnut
Community,
Prayer as the Cosmic Root of Poetry, 17
Oct 2023, Zoom video with discussion.
Public talk in the Universal Hall, Findhorn, on
Discernment - 'an
all-consuming fire', 11 Sept 2023 (91 mins, incl. discussion
around questions of community calling and vision in a time of radical and
unasked-for transition).
The
Dick Balharry Memorial Talk 2023 to
Ramblers Scotland, 28 Feb, print version
here and watch the blended video
here.
BBC Radio 4
from Ben Nevis, on Transfiguration, Sunday Worship, from on the
mountainside, with Anna
Magnusson,
(30 Oct 2022, 37 mins audio)
Keynote address Environmental
Education for Adaptation: Knowledge, Consumption and the
Ontological Question to sustainability, business &
education conference,
Susanna Wesley Foundation, University of Roehampton, London,
Wed 29 - Thu 30 June 2022.
Watch video here.
Finding God in the Rice Pudding, a
Whisky Club (WC) conversation with the chess grand master,
Jonathan Rowson for the Perspectiva think tank, 18 June
2022,
watch video here.
What brings nature into being?
Opening presentation in discussion with theologian Elizabeth Oldfield at the
Realisation Festival 2022 of the Perspectiva think tank, St Giles House,
Dorset, Fri 10 Jun, watch video here.
BBC Radio Scotland, 'Alongside Pain & Hope',
Sunday Morning, Good Friday broadcast with my wife Véréne Nicolas (15 Apr 2022, 28 mins audio)
Land, Heritage and Freedom - Forager podcast interviewed by Myles Irving
(Apr 2019, 1hr 25 min )
Mindrolling
Interview with Raghu Markus, Be Here Now Network (Video of podcast
June 2019, 55 mins)
Pilgrimage of Calling Back the Soul (New York Open Center lecture,
May 2019, video with very good sound quality, it's two hours but half of
that is discussion)
'High Profile' interview about my work by Huw Spanner (Jul 2018,
text and audio (1 hr)
In theological conversation with The Wee Flea
(Jan 2018, 65 min video debate)
Derrick Jensen interview with me on Resistance Radio (July 2018, 45
mins)
BBC radio
discussion on gun amnesty, arms trade and violence reduction (June 2018,
14 mins)
TEDx
talk video: Donald Trump and the Second Sight (TEDx Findhorn, Sep
2017, 21 mins)
Video interview with Queens University Law School on my work and books (Apr
2017, 28 mins)]
BBC TV Adventure Show on Poacher's Pilgrimage on the Isle of Harris,
2016 (12 mins)
TEDx talk video:
Poacher's Pilgrimage (Royal Society of Edinburgh, 28 June
2016, 12 mins)
BBC TV interview
by Sarah Smith of me with David Johnstone, Chairman of Scottish Land &
Estates, on land reform, 2015
A range of
Nomad Podcasts with me - spiritual activism, Pentecost, Donald
Trump, pilgrimage, etc.
BBC Radio Scotland interview with
Sally Magnusson about the GalGael Trust (6 mins, MP3, 6-12-15)
Interviewed by Ricky Ross (of Deacon Blue) about new book, Spiritual
Activism: Leadership as Service, followed by a discussion on
Buddhism and happiness, BBC Radio Scotland, 27 Sept 2015, 25 mins, MP3
The Green Interview (TV) with Silver Donald Cameron,
2 "Spirit and Sufficiency, Not Surplus", Nova Scotia, Dec 2012 (since
2022 available without paywall thanks to Library & Archives Canada.
Conscious TV Interview with Iain McNay, London, November 2012, 50
minutes
BBC audio Easter Sunday with Cathy MacDonald, on recognition of
late-life spiritual issues, Apr 2011 (40 mins MP3)
BBC audio with Ricky Ross on work, life experiences and musical choices,
2010, (MP3 - "Absolutely brilliant ... one of the best hour's radio
I have heard" - Listeners).
BBC audio with Sally Magnusson on life background, 2006, (30 minutes
MP3)
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Print Interviews not on permanent web link are below
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Reasoned
Campaigner - Sunday Herald - 10
August 2003

He may seem a bundle of
contradictions – a pacifist who respects the
military, a man without a TV who won a
prime-time
gameshow – but, finds Sam Phipps,
Alastair McIntosh simply has unusual ways of
making his point
AS peace activists go, Alastair
McIntosh has quite a lot of time for the
military. It’s a paradoxical respect born of
close contact and free exchange of views; he
is finding, somewhat to his own surprise,
more and more common ground with senior
officers and strategists. Politicians are
another matter. For the past five or six
years McIntosh, an author, campaigner,
academic and Quaker pacifist, has addressed
400 top brass at the Joint Services Command
and Staff College – Britain’s foremost
school of war – at Shrivenham near London.
He has not been haranguing them through a
megaphone across barbed wire, though that
would not be his style anyway. No, McIntosh
speaks as an invited guest with direct
access to the lion’s den. A respected
campaigner on non-violence and environmental
issues, he is there “to make us think”,
according to the course director. It seems
to be working.
“I’m finding that some of the most
exciting thinking about alternatives to war
is coming out of military people
themselves,” McIntosh says at his home in
Kinghorn, Fife. “For one thing, they’re
actually adopting the language of the peace
movement, expressions like the ‘spiral of
violence’ and so on. Lecturing at the
college and elsewhere has taught me that
many in the military have thought far more
deeply about war than most people have. Many
of them have seen it face to face, of
course, and know how horrific it is.”
He shows me an e-mail from a
lieutenant-colonel in the US army, who jokes
about getting a war games exercise over and
done with as quickly as possible to leave
more time for golf. Then the officer makes a
serious philosophical point about
perceptions of “them” versus “us”. McIntosh
laughs at the Pentagon disclaimer at the end
that the e-mail is not necessarily virus
free. “Ha! They can drop atom bombs but they
can’t guarantee their e-mails are clean.”
McIntosh, a fellow of Edinburgh’s Centre
for Human Ecology, spent much of the last
year adding his efforts to the ultimately
unsuccessful campaign to prevent the bombing
and invasion of Iraq. He has been both
dismayed and encouraged by some of the
aftershocks. “One of the consequences is
that it’s making a lot of people think very
hard about alternatives. But it was strange;
in the lead-up to it, I had very senior
military people saying to me, ‘Why aren’t
you people being more successful in stopping
the politicians? Because we’re not
comfortable with what we’re being pushed
towards.’
“And it’s been made clear to me since, by
people right up in the chain of command,
that many of them are profoundly unhappy
with what the politicians have asked them to
do in this war. They fear they have been
made to do something that is possibly
illegal. They take very seriously the
possibility that they might be war
criminals. This is where Tony Blair and
Alastair Campbell and Jack Straw have been
so corrupt.
“So I don’t think there’s a black and
white distinction between the military and
the peace movement. There’s a sense in which
we are both working for peace. The very
important distinction is that, whereas we
are all prepared to die for our beliefs,
those of us committed to non-violence are
not prepared to kill. That’s the only
absolute I try to hold on to. I say try,
because were you to jump on me and suddenly
attempt to stick a knife into me, I can’t
honestly say what my instinctual responses
would be. What I can say is that it means
you don’t prepare to fight.”
McIntosh, who is 47 and grew up on Lewis,
gives two examples of the power of
non-violence from his own experience. When
he was working in Papua New Guinea in the
1980s intruders broke into his home and held
a young woman guest, who was sleeping
downstairs with the children, at knifepoint.
They ransacked the house. “Had we kept a
gun, like many expats, and fired it, she may
well have got her throat cut. As it was, we
lost our stuff but nobody was killed.”
In another incident, the 17-year-old
daughter of an Australian history professor,
a colleague of McIntosh’s, was abducted and
gang-raped by 14 young men from a nearby
squatter camp. Normally the police would
have trashed the camp and beaten people up
at random. But the daughter asked her father
to find a way that would “touch their
hearts”.
Her family, fellow Quakers, asked the
police not to retaliate. “Her father and I
went into the settlement and asked to meet
with the leaders. They said they were very
sorry about what had happened and very
grateful we had asked the police not to
cause any violence against them. We said,
‘We want you to do whatever would be an
appropriate traditional ceremony of
confession and reconciliation.’ On the
appointed day the entire squatter community
came out and with much beating of drums and
bearing of token gifts, apologised, headed
by the 14 men. Many had tears in their
eyes.”
While McIntosh admits the reoffending
rate might not have been zero, he believes
it would be much lower than if they had been
treated in kind. The case also shows an
important contrast between violence and
non-violence. “They operate on different
timescales. The logic of violence only makes
any sense in the short run. Non-violence,
however, is a long-term and big-picture
approach.” Sometimes officers come up to him
after a talk, wondering whether they ought
to stay in the military. He replies with
what George Fox, the founder of the Quakers,
told William Penn in the 17th century when
Penn was vexed about wearing a sword: “Wear
it as long as thou canst.”
He points to Mahatma Gandhi’s India, the
relatively peaceful ousting of regimes in
the Philippines and eastern Europe, South
Africa’s Truth and Reconciliation Committee,
even to some extent Northern Ireland, as
vindications of the rationale of non-
violence in recent times.
But pacifism is only one thread of
McIntosh’s beliefs and outlook. Earlier this
year he was invited to be a contestant on
the TV game show Without Prejudice.
Recruited by a TV researcher who had seen
his website
http://www.alastairmcintosh.com,/ he was
told that Channel Four were looking for
“strongly opinionated people” to debate
topical social issues such as Iraq, gay
adoption, fox-hunting, and capital
punishment.
Despite not owning a television, McIntosh
not only made it through the auditions to
the programme itself, he scooped the £50,000
prize. The cheque was equivalent to 10
years’ pay for McIntosh, but he has mixed
feelings about competing on the show. Not
only were the views he expressed during
filming heavily edited, he now believes the
objective of the show was to allow the
panellists to express their opinions rather
than the contestants. Moreover, he was
criticised afterwards for being
“hypocritical” and “narcissistic”. On
balance, he says, it was a worthwhile
experience. “I’ve had loads of people come
up to me in the street and say it really
made them think about the spirtual
underpinning of things, and it’s not the
sort of thing they expect in prime-time TV.
I do have feelings of ambiguity. If I had
known at the outset what type of programme
it was going to be I wouldn’t have gone on,
but given the way it worked out, I am glad I
did.”
He’s also something of an eco-warrior. In
Soil And Soul, his fascinating and highly
acclaimed book, published two years ago, he
starts with his own Hebridean background,
before delving into the full complexity of
Scottish history, British empire, global
economics, philosophy and poetry.
As well as recounting two major triumphs
of the 1990s – he helped defeat plans to
turn a majestic Hebridean mountain into a
superquarry (after persuading a native
American chief to testify at the government
inquiry) and was a key figure behind the
islanders’ buyout of Eigg – he explores
notions of community and calls for nothing
less than a “right relationship” with one
another, with the earth’s resources and with
spirituality.
He traces many of the world’s problems
back to the 18th century Enlightenment, with
its excess emphasis on rationality and
material profit at the expense of humanity
and co-operation. “The Enlightenment
developed in response to the abuses of power
in a society where power was mythologically
validated – divine right and so on. Now the
trouble is that movement has overshot; it
has become stuck in its own head; it has cut
off feeling, cut off value judgements.”
This has led, he says, to a heinous
cornering of the earth’s resources – most
damagingly oil and water – by huge
multinational conglomerates. Incredulously,
he holds up a Scottish Water bill for £769
charged to the GalGael Trust. He is
treasurer of the voluntary organisation,
which builds traditional boats with some of
the most marginalised people in Glasgow’s
deprived Govan area. It’s a one-person
office: the sum is for one toilet and one
sink for a year. “This is the kind of thing
that makes me a campaigner,” he says.
So far, so liberal. Yet there is nothing
woolly or ill-defined in McIntosh’s
approach. “It’s about each of us taking
responsibility for how f***ed up the world
is, and I use that expression in its
theological sense; Jeremiah 20 says words to
that effect. We must recognise our
complicity in it and confess that to
ourselves. The problem now is we are in
denial.”
Self-examination, an emphasis on personal
integrity, is therefore a key tenet in
McIntosh’s “spiritual activism”. “The
management of natural resources is primarily
a question about managing ourselves. We’ve
got to ask: why are we so addicted to this
oil economy? What have we done to let the
multinational water corporations loose on
the fundamental source of life? So it’s a
question of looking at ourselves in a
psychological and spiritual sense.”
On a personal level, for him this means
he should eat less meat, for example. He
considers himself “addicted” to meat, a
state of affairs that is “dysfunctional”
given the ecological impact and cost. But
does he not risk getting stuck on an endless
guilt trip?
“I’ve no problem with guilt. I think it’s
there for a reason, to give us a nudge into
looking at who we are and what we’re
becoming.”
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The
ecology rap of a soul father - Sunday Times -
19 February 2006
Championed by green thinkers and pop
stars alike, Alastair McIntosh’s eco-philosophy is
straight from the Western Isles, writes Adrian
Turpin
Private Eye magazine runs a series of cartoons
called Scenes You Seldom See. Here’s one. It’s a gig
night at King Tut’s Wah Wah Hut in Glasgow and the
place is packed. The band playing is Nizlopi,
unheard of a year ago, but known for the JCB Song,
the whimsically mellow track about a five-year-old
boy and his digger-driving dad that almost got to No
1 in the charts last Christmas.
“JCB Song, JCB Song!” comes a shout from the
crowd. But instead a 50-year-old man in a crumpled
Harris Tweed jacket takes the stage. He has the eyes
and beard of an Old Testament prophet, while the
impression that this gangling figure has blundered
into the wrong place is compounded by the fact that
he is wearing not one, but two, hearing aids. In a
soft Hebridean accent, he begins to recite a poem
about a man in a boat, enduring various trials
before reaching the open sea. It is rap but not
quite as anyone knows it.
“I’m not sure I’ll be making a career of it,”
says Alastair McIntosh. He hardly needs another job,
being variously described as a theologian,
historian, writer, ecologist and activist. But he
must be getting used to his brushes with pop music
by now.
Thom Yorke, the lead singer of Radiohead, has
taken to raving about McIntosh’s book Soil and Soul
during concerts, urging his fans to buy it. It is,
he says, “very inspiring — a desire for ecological
change with no ego or malignance and no messianic
tendencies”.
He is not alone. McIntosh has a growing fan club.
One critic memorably described the book as Naomi
Klein’s No Logo “in a Fair Isle jumper”. The
environmentalist George Monbiot calls it
“world-changing . . . an adventure in theology,
economics, ecology, history and politics which seeks
to guide us towards a new means of defeating the
powerful. One day it’ll be recognised as a classic.”
It is certainly beautifully written, unlike so
many idea-packed tomes. McIntosh has the eye of a
poet, not a policy wonk. The first half of Soil and
Soul weaves an account of his growing up on the Isle
of Lewis around an exploration of the relationship
between nature, community and God. His polemic is
occasionally outraging. (When was the last time you
heard anybody declaim against usury?) But it is also
dizzyingly exhilarating, an assault on materialism
that is fresh as well as funny.
The book’s second half is an account of two
campaigns that McIntosh has helped fight — the
successful battle against a “super quarry” on Harris
and the community buyout of Eigg — both hugely
involved sagas which McIntosh manages to humanise in
a way few writers can.
Celebrity endorsement is unlikely to impress
McIntosh. “I didn’t know who Thom Yorke was until my
son told me,” he says. But it spreads the message,
and it is a message that is creeping into the
mainstream.
David Cameron’s greening of the Conservative
party and the acceptance of climate change as a
reality rather than a possibility have happened
since Soil and Soul was first published in 2001. New
Labour’s “respect” agenda makes its ideas about the
nature of community seem as important as ever. The
war on terror and the war in Iraq have given
McIntosh’s reflections on spirals of conflict new
resonance.
So it is not just the “beard and sandals” brigade
that seek out McIntosh’s views. At the joint
military command college in Shrivenham, he has
lectured about pacifism. Later this year, he will
speak at the INSEAD business school near Paris.
“There’s a wonderful saying that when the centre
collapses, the peripheral becomes essential,” he
says. “You can overplay that, but there is the sense
that we need to take lessons from the periphery
about how to build communities that work, how we
relate to one another, how sustainable we want our
society to be.”
In Glasgow’s Govan, where McIntosh lives and
works, you feel on the periphery in more ways than
one. Near the Ibrox stadium a pre-pubescent truant
plays keepy-uppy with a football. “F*** the BNP”
reads graffiti on a crumbling tenement. On this
depressing street is the home of GalGael, a charity
whose projects include helping the long-term
unemployed develop skills and confidence by building
boats. McIntosh is one of the directors.
“I’m looking for Alastair,” I say, when I arrive.
“He’s through that door having his photo taken,”
says a fierce man in a white T-shirt in the lobby.
“But you can’t go in.”
"Why not?” I ask.
“You’ll have to wait for him to put his clothes
back on,” says T-shirt bloke, cracking a smile.
Which is, it turns out, a pretty good
introduction to the place. There’s a cheery bustle.
Through a glass panel in the workshop another man is
doing something unfathomable with a lathe, wrapped
in concentration. You can’t move without being asked
whether you’re all right, or want a cup of tea.
When McIntosh emerges we retreat to an office
littered with children’s crayons and beaten-up
furniture. Outside there’s a ferocious hailstorm.
The room is half dark. When McIntosh debates for a
minute about turning the light on and decides
against, he is only half-joking. The writer lives
nearby in Govan with his French wife Vérène.
“The postcode where we have our house is in the
bottom 10% for deprivation in Scotland,” he says.
So why did he choose to move there? “People said
it’s great what you’ve done on Eigg and on Harris
but it’s easy for you to talk about community
because you’re from the Western Isles. Following
that challenge is what brings me to Govan.”
Yet it’s impossible begin to understand him
without starting in Lewis. Born the son of a doctor
in the village of Leurbost, he seems to have had an
idyllic upbringing. Summers were spent playing
outside, and at the age of five he decided he wanted
to be a farmer, a notion his father quickly
persuaded him against.
He learnt to fish from a coracle and worked as a
ghillie on one of the estates. But his father’s
status meant he had “one foot in crafting culture,
the other was in the world of the laird’s lodge . .
. My parents taught me to treat power, especially
old-money landed power, with the utmost respect”.
When he went to Aberdeen University to study,
among other things, geology, it seemed only natural
to canvas for the Conservative party. A period
working for Voluntary Service Overseas in Papua New
Guinea opened his eyes to poverty, and he went on to
do a postgraduate in business studies so that he
could work effectively in the charity. He later
became a fellow of Edinburgh’s Centre for Human
Ecology.
Some of the lessons he draws from the island of
his birth are home-spun. When he talks of a need for
co-operation rather than simply competition, he
gives the example of cars allowing each other to
pass on single-track roads. One of the themes of his
work is the need for people to be grounded in a
place and its history. Only by knowing about the
past can we make informed decisions about the
future, an act he calls “cultural psychotherapy”.
Much of this seems like common sense. In some
ways his message (which is inspired by Christian
theology) can be reduced to the simplest terms: put
less faith in money, and more in relationships. Try
to feel as well as think. But the brilliance of Soil
and Soul is the way he builds his argument, so that
each small detail echoes through the book amplifying
everything else around it.
Does he think of himself as of the left or the
right? “I’ve often described my work as squaring the
circle, the apparent contradictions between both
ends of the political spectrum. Because of the land
reform, I often get called a communist. But I would
argue that it has more in common with an
understanding of life. Unless people are in control
of their little patch, they can’t set up business.
You can see that as a kind of capitalist agenda. I
would call it communitarian.”
What bits of his life does Mc- Intosh feels
uneasy about? “Well, there’s the car. And I’ve tried
to become a vegetarian on ecological grounds but I
grew up hunting and fishing. It’s in the blood, I
love meat. We’re having venison casserole tonight. I
acknowledge the hypocrisy of the fact. I think it’s
necessary for people to be able to forgive
themselves otherwise we’ll never be able to move
forward. As William Blake says, ‘the cut worm
forgives the plough ’.” Or should that be JCB?
Ps. Just for a bit of counterpoint to the
above, here's a different perspective from Sunday Times gossip
columnist,
Allan Brown (12 June 2005).
- The
environmentalist and
writer Alastair
McIntosh, author of
the stirring
hug-a-scorpion
polemic Soil and
Soul, has received a
huge boost in the
shape (the very
curious shape,
admittedly) of the
painfully earnest
rock band Radiohead,
who have heartily
plugged his title on
their website, as
they did several
years back with
Naomi Klein’s book
No Logo, prior to
its becoming a
multi-million
seller. Because he
is an
environmentalist and
ardent Gael, and
therefore made
mostly from wool,
McIntosh had
previously never
heard of Radiohead.
Or of their website.
Or of the internet,
or electricity. “My
son took me out in
his van, playing
Radiohead’s album on
his stereo,” he
said, gutting and
skinning a radish.
“It all sounded
pretty depressing
and downbeat to me,
so I couldn’t really
get my head round
it.”
And this from a
man who chooses to
work with the
community on Eigg,
perhaps the most
miserable crowd of
chippy moaners on
earth.
So sceptical, in
fact, is McIntosh
towards our modern
consumer society
that he somehow
ended up winning
£50,000 some years
back on a Channel 4
game show. “They
spent a whole day
filming me at my
house,” he says,
“but they only used
tiny little
soundbites.”
When the man has
so much that’s
interesting to say
about sustainable
tank tops and beard
care? It’s a
capitalist
conspiracy.
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Soul Searching -
HERO: Higher Education Research Opportunities
- 27 June 2006
“The global problematique is a
tangled ball of string. Only by
unravelling all the loops and
not just by pulling on any
single loop can we hope to
address the complex problems of
our times … Of course this can
be profoundly irritating to the
specialists, because to them it
is simply academic dilletantism.”
Interview by Charlie Peverett.
Alastair McIntosh is no stranger
to controversy. His part in ejecting
the laird from the Isle of Eigg and
halting a ‘superquarry’ planned for
the island of Harris has earned him
a reputation as one of the most
influential grass-roots activists in
the world.
He is also one of the UK’s
best-known radical academics,
promoting an approach unashamedly
rooted in spirituality –“that which
gives life, and the basis for
community” in his own words. His
work draws upon an array of
disciplines, notably ecology,
cultural history, theology and
poetics, and combines them with
hands-on, community-centred and
often highly personal practice. The
implications of this are best
explained in McIntosh’s remarkable
book Soil and Soul, published by
Aurum Press in 2001.
Among many fascinating strands,
Soil and Soul details the story of
the Centre for Human Ecology, which
was based at the University of
Edinburgh between 1972 and 1996. At
the height of the superquarry
controversy, the Centre was
mysteriously closed down by the
university’s administration, with
the resulting furore covered widely
in the media.
From 1997, McIntosh and
colleagues went on running the
popular MSc course in Human Ecology
independently, gaining accreditation
with the Open University in 2000.
Now the Centre has forged a new
partnership with the University of
Strathclyde’s Department of
Geography and Sociology, where
McIntosh teaches as Visiting
Professor of Human Ecology.
Strathclyde’s motto of ‘useful
knowledge’ chimes well with
McIntosh’s own professed approach:
“The acid test of useful knowledge
is that it must be relevant to the
community,” he says. “Academia
inevitably creates elites, and
elites inevitably have power. That
is acceptable only when they are
acting in the service of the
community – in other words, when
academics subordinate themselves to
what I would describe as the needs
of the poor and of the broken in
nature … the imperatives of social
and the environmental justice.”
For McIntosh, this means that the
term ‘academic community’ must be
rejuvenated, inspired by the
practical and generalist traditions
in Scottish education. It means
ensuring that academics have one
foot in ‘the grove’ as well as one
in the ivory tower – a kind of
visceral variation on putting your
money where your mouth is.
“Now these things can of course
be quite threatening to some types
of middle-class person – and I speak
as a middle-class person myself –
because it involves letting go of
traditional forms of middle-class
power … and sharing that power
across the community as a whole. But
that is precisely what the
democratic intellectual principle in
Scotland has traditionally
championed … It’s about testing your
knowledge against its ability to be
of service to the community as a
whole,” he says.
Putting this into practice has
now taken McIntosh away from the
Scottish islands to the Govan
district of Glasgow, an area hit
hard by the demise of the Clyde’s
shipbuilding industry. He and his
wife moved there two years ago, in
response to a frequent challenge to
his ideas: it was all very well
working with communities in remote
and beautiful places, but what about
the needs of the urban deprived?
McIntosh now spends much of his
time with The GalGael Trust, which
has a striking vision for the
regeneration of Govan. In McIntosh’s
fight against the Harris quarry,
flying in a Native American War
Chief to give theological testimony
to the public enquiry was a bold
move. One of the GalGael Trust’s
ambitions – to build a timber
Gaelic-Norse longship and sail it
around Scotland as a ‘monument to
community achievement’ – is more
extraordinary still.
“Most of the problems [in Govan]
revolve around addiction,” says
McIntosh. “When you ask people why
they are addicted, they’ll say
‘heroin took away my pain but it
also took away my soul’. So that’s a
starting point. Any regeneration
work that is going to take people
with them in a community like this
is going to have to start off with
that observation: that those caught
in the backwash of postmodern
nihilism experience what in primal
cultures would be called ‘loss of
soul’.”
No doubt many intellectuals will
be horrified by the notion of
spirituality as a ‘working
hypothesis’ in academic inquiry.
McIntosh is certainly aware of the
cringe factor that attaches itself
to the language, and is frequently,
refreshingly self-deprecating about
it. “Too often”, he says, “spiritual
abuse by mainstream religions has
given a bad press to the possibility
that reality has a spiritual
underpinning, and that makes for bad
social science. It leaves us with a
shriveled and shrunken understanding
of human potential and closes our
minds to what Maslow called ‘the
further reaches of human nature’.”
Secular thinkers will, however,
sell themselves, and McIntosh, short
if they latch onto McIntosh’s
acknowledgement that his field is
‘problematic’ as a reason to
investigate no further. Soil and
Soul does not feel like an assault
on rational enquiry, more a
reappraisal of the correct context
for it.
“The bottom line question is
always reality,” says McIntosh.
“What exactly is reality about? What
is the reality of human life? If the
bottom line is secular materialism,
fair enough. But if the evidence –
such as that of people having
‘mystical experiences’ or
‘epiphanies’ or whatever you want to
call them – if that evidence starts
to stack up as I believe it does,
then we are surely challenged to
consider that our model of reality
needs to be broadened. That’s when
we can counter nihilism by
complementing deconstruction with
reconstruction, the better to
appreciate the grace of what a human
being might actually be.”
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Last Updated:
19 March 2026
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